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12.05.2014, 19:10 Uhr
dk_spb



 I can offer for exchange USSR home computer BK-0010-01 and BK-0011M.
I am interested in DDR computers and parts.
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13.05.2014, 07:59 Uhr
holm

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Want a PC1715?


How do you think theshipping (to Russia) should be done w/o to overload any wallet?

Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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13.05.2014, 11:51 Uhr
dk_spb



 No, thanks. I have 1715 with old drives, 1715 with new drives and 1715M.
I have a friend at Dortmund. He make repacking for me (one parcel can be up to 20 kg).
I have got A5120 already - no any problem
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13.05.2014, 20:46 Uhr
holm

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...and what kind of computers do you want?


Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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13.05.2014, 21:44 Uhr
dk_spb



 I am interested any soviet or socialist-country computers/parts/devices, for example:
- KC Compact; KC85 disk-basis and drives
- PC1715 marked as CM1904
- not "standard" boards for EC1834 (for example HDC for 2HDD, KIF, LotusNet, SCOM, BK600 ...)
- K1520 boards
- MPCx, Kxxxx, Axxxx, P8000 series computers and terminals (which I have not already).
- POLY 880, Schachcomputer SC1

I can offer many types of USSR and socialist country computers, not only BK-001x.
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14.05.2014, 07:11 Uhr
holm

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Want a KC87?

Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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14.05.2014, 08:20 Uhr
dk_spb



 No, Thanks. I am interested only KC Compact; KC85 disk-basis and drives from KC series.
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14.05.2014, 21:10 Uhr
holm

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Now we get a concrete statement: You looking for KC85 Stuff, ok.
What can you provide, a DVK3 or DVK4? (DBK).
Unfortunately I've got an almost mint condition BK0010.01 for 50 Euros + Shipping shortly before ..

Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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14.05.2014, 21:41 Uhr
dk_spb



 I can provide DVK3 with minor "defects" (for example, without front bezel).
But fully working condition. With keyboard.
Also I can offer backplane chassis with boards (if you don't like big cases and old heavy power supply).
What you can offer from "KC85 staff"?

>Unfortunately I've got an almost mint condition BK0010.01 for 50 Euros + Shipping shortly before ..
Why "Unfortunately"? It is good price. It is possible to find BK-0010-01 mint condition full set (include power supply, mstd module, manuals and cables) for 50 euros in Russia. Not easy but possible. Which type of keyboard you have, old or new?
For BK-0010-01 you need FDC with additional memory for run any good OSes. For BK0011M you can use standard FDC without memory. Or you prefer casette tape?

50 euros is a good price for old computers ;-) Few months ago I have bought A5120 (non working) for these money on ebay(I have repaired it). Few weeks ago working A5120 for 100 euros. Both in Germany.

And yes, I can offer DVK4. If you can offer something good for exchange.
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15.05.2014, 07:39 Uhr
holm

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"unfortunately" since, I don't need another one now :-)

The BK has the new keyboard, that from the BK0011. It was a complete set with PSU, FOCAL Module, Cassette Tape, Handbook and the original Box with cables, but the people at the Russian Post removed the cassette tape, the handbook and the orig box because of customs rules (no literature, no Music).
(the refuse to ship those things, they are still in Moscow).
I think I must not run RT11 on the BK, If I wish to do that I would use my 11/83 or the 11/53 or the 11/23 :-)
I think I would use the cassette tape und give it to my son to play some of the games :-), lets see.

The question is not what I can offer, the question is what I can get to fullfill your needs for a deal.
I don't own any KC85 stuff since I don't want it, but possibly I can get such things cheaper than you. Exactly the same with EC1834, I sat for years in front of such a thing, don't want doing it again. A710x is different, it has an unusual architecture and is interesting now :-)

Next thing is: I love big old and unusual iron, I own an E60 that I repaired myself and several PDP11 and uVAX things. Have some K1801/1806 CPUs laying around here and want to build something out of them.


Regards,

Holm
--
float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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15.05.2014, 08:43 Uhr
dk_spb
Zitat:
the people at the Russian Post removed the cassette tape, the handbook and the orig box because of customs rules (no literature, no Music).


Good joke ;-) New rules at custom? ;-)
Is it info from seller? He said that original box is a literature? ;-)

E60 is a small computer if compare to DVK3 ;-)

>The question is not what I can offer, the question is what I can get to fullfill your needs for a deal. I don't own any KC85
As I wrote I can offer many USSR and socialist country computers. If you need something and if you CAN offer something interested for me - we can discuss the exchange. I can't provide full list the items which interested for me because this list very long. And I can't provide full list my items for exchange because it is long and it sometimes changes.
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15.05.2014, 09:17 Uhr
holm

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It was exactly this way. Nevertheless the goods are waiting for me until another friend can pick up them.
There is absolutly no need for the guy that bought that thing for me to tell the untruth..

The E60 is a DVK2. it is a QBUS machine. How big it is, is depending if it is a desktop machine or
the Rack version with the Tape drive in there.

Sorry, have no space here for a bessy. (besm 6) if you cal that big iron.

I'll tell you when I need something.

Regards,

Holm
--
float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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15.05.2014, 09:33 Uhr
dk_spb



 I have sent few computers and books to Europe. No any rules against literature.

>The E60 is a DVK2.
So many jokes from you today ;-)

>How big it is, is depending if it is a desktop machine or the Rack version with the Tape drive in there.
Yes, of course, I spoke about "main" unit. You can connect tape drive, GMD-7012 and few additional terminals to DVK3 too.

>Sorry, have no space here for a bessy. (besm 6) if you cal that big iron.
You can buy CM-1420 if you have not space for besm 6 ;-)
Just 1-2 racks ;-)

>I'll tell you when I need something.
You have checked my possibility when asked about DVK3/4.
Tell me when you really will interested in any exchange.
Few years ago you asked me about K559 ICes. I have bought it for you. But you don't need it really.
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15.05.2014, 10:41 Uhr
holm

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The E60 here has an GMD7022 and an CM5300.01 that is waiting to get connected. I waited loong time for the pinout of the I17 controller (MC2707).

The mechaincs of an DVK2 aren't different to an E60, arent them?
The differences are the plugged in boards.

We had an CM1420 at our university here in Freiberg before the fall of the iron curtain. Nice machine with
switch register. You should keep you informed about the german energy prices before you suggest buying an 11/34 like this one.

Why do you think I don't need the ICs? Im soldering on a board with 4x K1804BC1 for a while now,
the K559IPx ICs are BUS drivers that I want to use and the are used in the PDP11's too.

You wrote that you are interested in east german computers and parts...it turned out that you are interested in KC85 parts only.
Maybe you should say what exactly you want? KC85's are heavily overpriced here, at least for my eyes.
What you expect to get for what? I know Ruzssians are great Dealers, it was never a big problem to get an AK47 for some bottles of wodka
here in GDR-Times...so Im not underestimating your ability to dig up something.

Regards,

Holm
--
float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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15.05.2014, 11:13 Uhr
dk_spb



 >The mechaincs of an DVK2 aren't different to an E60, arent them?
Yes, of course.
You can compare (not my photos):
E60 http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=457
DVK2 http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=283
If you mean "mechaincs"=buses - yes, the buses/slots are the same.
And please compare sizes of E60 and DVK3 (same case as DVK3M http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=241; monitor and computer is a mono unit).
Also where are embedded version of E60 (size as two books).

>Why do you think I don't need the ICs?
I have sent you two e-mail that ICes are ready - no answer.

>You should keep you informed about the german energy prices before you suggest buying an 11/34 like this one.
Sorry, we speak about LOVE to big irons or about money? ;-)

>Maybe you should say what exactly you want?
Please read message 004 above.

If you love 1801VM2 - I can offer the russian school computer MC0511 (UKNC) with two VM2 onboard.
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15.05.2014, 11:37 Uhr
holm

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>I have sent you two e-mail that ICes are ready - no answer.

Interesting. When (exactly, for suching in logs) where this? Since I'm my own provider I'm pretty much interested why I haven't read this mail..? Have I simply missed it?
At least Enrico here is interested in the ICs too Think this should be an solvable problem.

>Sorry, we speak about LOVE to big irons or about money? ;-)

Hmm.. love my wife and my kids too....
You pay a thenth of what we pay here for energy and this only because of idotic "green" politics..


The UKNS where interesting (if I can get an 42V Transformer :-)) but I think I should something do with
the Ics already laying around here:




The pcb still isn't ready do do something useful...

Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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15.05.2014, 22:11 Uhr
dk_spb



 >Interesting. When (exactly, for suching in logs) where this?
Dec 2011

>The UKNS where interesting (if I can get an 42V Transformer :-))
You can get 220V version or change original power supply to modern 220V.

Sorry, I will return in 3 days
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15.05.2014, 22:37 Uhr
holm

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That with the 42Volt Transformer was a joke man. That where no real problem at all.

I'm searching for the mail tomorrorw, do you still have the chips?

Regards,
Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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22.05.2014, 20:51 Uhr
dk_spb



 >I'm searching for the mail tomorrorw, do you still have the chips?
yes, please send me (PM or e-mail) a list which russian ICes you need
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23.05.2014, 17:18 Uhr
holm

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I'm looking for ICs equivalent DECs "Chipkit". Taht are K559IP series, I'll look for what exactly tomorrow.

Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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26.05.2014, 20:12 Uhr
holm

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Ok, I've looked at the documentation. Interesting where K559ВН1, K559ВН2, K559ВТ1, I must look to my
stuff to find out if I still need K559ИП3 and K559ИП3, I do already have some of them.
That are the most interresting chips for me..

Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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27.05.2014, 21:29 Uhr
holm

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>stuff to find out if I still need K559ИП3 and K559ИП3, I do already have some of them.
That are the most interresting chips for me..

I meant K559ИП1 and K559ИП3..

Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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29.05.2014, 17:46 Uhr
dk_spb



 Holm, prices for kr559ip1 and ip3 is less 20 eurocents (if you need 1-2pcs or less for quantity). I can buy it for you. Send me PM with quantity.
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31.05.2014, 17:33 Uhr
dk_spb
Zitat:
I love big old and unusual iron, I own an E60


The smallest type of E60 (include CPU board based KR581VE1)

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01.06.2014, 12:00 Uhr
holm

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The Elektronika looks really nice, seems to be a version with the K1804BM1.
I think you have already seen a picture from the card case of my E60 here:



Since we are at it, I need such a FAN as displayed. One (from four) died in the meantime and I've exchanged it against a somewhat standard one from Pabst. Can you get such a Fan for me?

For the chips, Enrico here from the forum mailed me that for such prices he would love to get 100 pcs.
of K559ИП1 and K559ИП3 also. I think I personally don't need so many of them, 20 pcs. each where enough..but that are clearly not two or three pcs...

How about the other ones?

Regards,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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01.06.2014, 12:24 Uhr
dk_spb



 >seems to be a version with the K1804BM1.
Not, I have wrote above about IC.

> each where enough..but that are clearly not two or three pcs...
>How about the other ones?
If you need any ICes - write me PM with list with quantities. I will provide prices. I still can't understand 100 or 20 pcs you need.
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01.06.2014, 12:52 Uhr
Enrico
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dk_spb schrieb
I still can't understand 100 or 20 pcs you need.


20 pcs for Holm and 100 pcs for me.


But I am still not clear what is an IC for the K559IP1
K559IP1 = DS3881
But I can not find a data sheet.
--
MFG
Enrico
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01.06.2014, 13:15 Uhr
dk_spb



 20+100 pcs IP1 ? Or IP3?

Is it really hard write PM (Private Nachricht) like this?
1) KR559IP1 - xx pcs
2) KR559IP3 - xx pcs
3) xx - xx pcs
And I will provide prices.

>But I can not find a data sheet.
Is it question or answer? Sorry, may be I don't know english very good.
You need datasheet for DS3881 or for 559IP1 ?
Or You only reported that you can't find?
I have provided few volumes book (scan) to Holm with many datasheets for russian ICes few years ago. Did you have it? Or you need more information? Which information?
Or you are interested in list of analogs of russian ICes? I have sent it to your e-mail.

Sorry again
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01.06.2014, 13:39 Uhr
holm

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>include CPU board based KR581VE1

Ahh... sorry.

What cards are in the Cage besides of the CPU? Is this an embeeded Controller using ROMs
to boot? (Yes I know there are all sorts of Cards available).

The copy of the russian databook is on my webserver and not only Enrico has access:

http://www.tiffe.de/Robotron/Bausteinuebersicht/Datenbuch/

The Databook is very good, but it is still complicated to compare ICs there with DEC Equivalents.
I would have done this this week, but still haven't had the neccessary time.
Enrico try to use this website to translate characters for russian ICs, its pretty simple to handle:

http://translit.net/

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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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dk_spb schrieb
20+100 pcs IP1 ? Or IP3?


IP3


Zitat:

>But I can not find a data sheet.
Is it question or answer? Sorry, may be I don't know english very good.
You need datasheet for DS3881 or for 559IP1 ?


I have a bigger problem with English.
ITS the same.



Zitat:

I have provided few volumes book (scan) to Holm with many datasheets for russian ICes few years ago. Did you have it? Or you need more information? Which information?
Or you are interested in list of analogs of russian ICes? I have sent it to your e-mail.

Sorry again



I knew no more again. I could not find it. Not even on my computer. But that has now been found again.
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 Holm, ich wusste doch, dass es eine schlechte Idee ist, wenn ich
hier auch noch was dazu schreibe.
Das verwirrt nur alle.

Genau diese Daten konnte ich nicht finden.
Festplatten sind heutzutage zu gross UND zu klein.
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01.06.2014, 14:22 Uhr
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 I have send .xls file to Enrico.
For 559 series:
559ВА1(VA1) TMS38051 TI
559ВВ1(VV1) DC010 DEC
559ВВ2(VV2) DC006 DEC
559ВГ1(VG1) TMS38052 TI
559ВН1(VN1) DC003 DEC
559ВН2(VN2) DC013 DEC
559ВТ1(VT1) DC004 DEC
559ИП1(IP1) DS3881 NS
559ИП2 DS8640 NS
559ИП3 DS8641 NS
559ИП4 8Т23 PHILIPS
559ИП5 8Т24 PHILIPS
559ИП6 MC3440 MOTOROLA
559ИП7 8Т24 PHILIPS
559ИП8 DC005 DEC
559ИП9 96106D FAIRCHILD
559ИП10 DS7641 NS
559ИП11 Am26LS32 AMD
559ИП12 Am26LS31 AMD
559ИП13 DP8307 NS
559ИП14 DP8308 NS
559ИП15 DC021C DEC
559ИП16 DC007 DEC
559ИП17
559ИП19 MC1488 MOTOROLA
559ИП20 MC1489 MOTOROLA
559ИП21 DS8923M NS
559ИП22(IP22) Am7995 AMD
559СК1(CK1 or SK1) DC102A DEC
559СК2(CK2 or SK2) DM8136 NS
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Zitat:
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Holm, ich wusste doch, dass es eine schlechte Idee ist, wenn ich
hier auch noch was dazu schreibe.
Das verwirrt nur alle.


Enrico, you can write in Deutsch, no problem
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01.06.2014, 20:29 Uhr
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Don't think that this really is a problem att all :-)

Dennis mostly the DEC DC00* - Equivalents are interesting, but in different counts.
There is a Users Manual for the different ICs from DEC available with examples:

http://www.chdickman.com/qbus_ide/chipkit.pdf

I have to read this first to decide what is finally what.

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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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 Mal noch was anderes.
Die CPU K1801WM3 soll es mit unterschiedlichem Takt geben.
4, 6, 8 MHZ.
Lässt sich das am Aufdruck unterscheiden?
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01.06.2014, 22:47 Uhr
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An den Punkten hinter dem Date Code, Kein Punkt ist die höchste Taktfrequenz.

Ich bin mir nur nicht sicher ob 4,6,8 Stimmt, IMHO 4,5,6...

Gruß,

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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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 Meine haben alle einen Punkt.
Deine anscheinend auch.
Das wäre also 5 oder 6 MHz?
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02.06.2014, 05:42 Uhr
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 According the datasheet:
km1801vm3a - 6 Mhz
km1801vm3b - 5 Mhz
km1801vm3v - 4 Mhz
But really you need test it :-( And speed possibility depend from power (5-5.2V)

Also old version (datecode <xx89) has error in MFPD/MTPD command
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02.06.2014, 07:26 Uhr
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Ich habe 3 Stück 5 Mhz 9006 und Einen 6Mhz 8907, also ohne Punkte.

Gruß,

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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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 Russische Technik ist sehr verwirrend.
Bei meinen 4 Stück steht drauf

KM1801BM3
9005*

Also alle 4 mit Punkt.
Also 5 MHz?
Sind meine CPUs dann mit diesem Fehler?
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 >Russische Technik ist sehr verwirrend.
Really? ;-)
Not much than deutsch ;-)

>Sind meine CPUs dann mit diesem Fehler?
Not. You cpu produced in 1990. Bug was fixed in 1989.

>Also alle 4 mit Punkt.
Could you show photo?
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02.06.2014, 22:01 Uhr
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Jepp, 5Mhz Version. An die Dinger muß man übrigens unten noch Kerkos ranlöten :-)

Gruß,

HOlm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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 Wie jetzt, wo die Punkte auf der Unterseite sind?
Ich dachte, das wäre was zum prüfen?
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03.06.2014, 06:39 Uhr
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 On photo: one dot=vm3b=5Mhz
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03.06.2014, 07:30 Uhr
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Da liegen wirlklich die Gehäusedeckel an und sollten mit Masse verbunden bzw. abgeblockt werden.
Bei irgend Jemandem spielte das Ding verrückt wenn das nicht angeschlossen war. Ich muß mal gucken,
aber ich habe das irgendwo in diesem Forum gelesen

http://bk0010.org/forum/?id=11041

muß aber nicht in dem Thread gewesen sein.

Gruß,

Holm
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float R,y=1.5,x,r,A,P,B;int u,h=80,n=80,s;main(c,v)int c;char **v;
{s=(c>1?(h=atoi(v[1])):h)*h/2;for(R=6./h;s%h||(y-=R,x=-2),s;4<(P=B*B)+
(r=A*A)|++u==n&&putchar(*(((--s%h)?(u<n?--u%6:6):7)+"World! \n"))&&
(A=B=P=u=r=0,x+=R/2))A=B*2*A+y,B=P+x-r;}
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